Okay my personal opinions on the various supposed light solutions.
FF 2942: Dark. The cloth node overlapping the metal plate is considered Dark by the rules. Quote from the rules: "This includes any form of
overlapping materials with endnodes and "the force" that is generated by them in specific configurations".
It's specifically mentioned in the rules so my vote is Dark for this one.
Wolterw 2940: Dark. He breaks the same rule as FF. He starts with a metal bar overlapping an anchor point. This can be seen easily right at the start as the top metal bar jumps up out of the anchor point. Very visible force involved at the start. Notice that I classed any of my solutions like this as Dark.
Even in the 2930 solution this effect is visible at the start. If you try to tweak it so the bar doesn't jump, the ball falls off. The force and the resulting jump is what allows this solution to succeed. The same way the jump lets the 2944 dark solutions work.
ASAM 2936: Light by the rules but the rules are wrong. Take a real look at this. I have discussed this dark force before and was mistakenly told I was wrong. Here it is shown more clearly than ever. I previously claimed a solution by CN Player was dark when he had two metal bars sitting on top of each other as a counter weight but I think everyone can see the resulting force here once I prove it.
Take a look at what is involved. He has only two metal bars on the left side of the anchor point. Somehow this is heavier than 1 metal bar, 2 pieces of rope, a piece of cloth and the dillo itself. I've attached a file which shows that without the use of force this isn't true. The Dillo side should weigh considerably more. See below
There is force at play in this solution and lots of it. I've noticed it before in many solutions and I can see no better example of it than here.
But it's not in the rules, and it should be. This game has a problem with any type of overlapping materials, even if no anchor points are involved.
2928 Ikerous: Light. No visible overlapping nodes and materials. No overlapping materials. No visible sign or evidence of force.
2928 V4nKwish: Light. No visible overlapping nodes and materials. No overlapping materials. No visible sign or evidence of force.
Personally I don't care who wins and I mean no offense to anyone.
I would suggest no light medal is awarded for this level because it will only turn into an arguement. If no light medal is awarded we can look at the situation objectively and try and include new rules governing these overlapping metal bars.
Cresta wrote:Anyway, I want to give you the medal, so don't worry!
If FF and Wolterw can claim overlapping materials with endnodes is light, then all 3 of the winning Dark solutions are also light and so they would be the winning solution. Obviously they are not and neither are FF's or wolterw's.
ASAM's solution proves so clearly that lots of force is created simply by sitting two metal bars on top of each other as a weight. Again, see the attached files for proof.
Filename: Proof. Matches ASAM's supposed equally balanced objects. 2 Metal bars vs 1 metal bar, 2 pieces of rope, 1 piece of cloth and the Dillo.
The Dillo side weighs considerably more.
Filename: Extreme Proof: Shows that 2 metal bars don't even weigh more than the 2 pieces of rope, the cloth and the dillo. Ignoring the extra metal bar that exists on the Dillo side in ASAM's solution.
The Dillo side still weighs considerably more.
This same force can be seen in CN Players supposed light solution to that No Product Placement level. In this example, he manages to make 2 metal bars weigh more than 9 pieces of rubber!!! Now tell me there is no force involved when overlapping metal bars.
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