From mi2’s post in “Tiny Tube” results. (This did contain lots of smilies but they were lost during copy and paste)
sure even the lightest solution will produce some dark energy. the main different for me is the dark force that is produced by some random effects or the dark force that exists right from the begin of the simulation. we cant define the light rules that good. there are millions of ways in ar so each contest is unique and needs his own judgment . we are all Ar pros and should know whats ok and what not.thats confused me because you really thought you build something light mark .in ar2 all these will be history
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OK, mi2, I know, just as we all do, what is Dark and what is Light
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. Even though my solution contained an element where the Dark force bug is put to good use, as far as the rules are concerned my solution and Rob’s were both 100% Light. I did not “think” I had built a Light solution, I “knew” it contained Dark forces, but I also “knew” it was in full compliance with the Light rules.
Let me clarify what this debate is about and what it is not about. This debate is about what we “classify as Dark” in respect of the contests rules. It is not about what we “know to be Dark”. It has also branched into the subject of moving all future contests over to AR2 which will make the Light and Dark rules obsolete.
We “know” the Light version of the mi2 launcher is Dark but we “classify” it as Light. We “know” in many configurations that welding produces Dark force but we used to “classify” it as Light. We also “know” that in some configurations welding did not produce any Dark force (at least none of any use) but had to class it all as Dark in order to make the rules possible to understand, especially in respect of newcomers to the game. (That has lost us the option to use welding in any Light solution which was a very useful construction technique something you, mi2, made quite clear you were not in favour of banning). That made us all move a step backwards imo.
So we now have a situation where you could put welding in a solution that did not produce any usable Dark force, (as an example the construction of a tower with some crossed over bars), but it would “classify” the solution as Dark. On reflection you can use the Light version of the mi2 launcher which we all “know” uses Dark force but the solution would be “classified” as Light. This I think we would all agree is ridiculous and there have to be changes.
The post I did earlier about your solution mi2, in the Tiny Tube results, was partly a joke (I am surprised you did not bite
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) but in reality your solution has to be classed as Dark because the falling bars overlap at the nodes, watch them spring apart when it runs. Rob pointed this out to me not long ago and I had to tweak a solution to make it Light. Again this is ridiculous but the rules have to be clear so that anybody from a veteran to a novice knows exactly what is and is not allowed in a Light solution. There cannot be any grey areas in the rules which are left to the opinion of the host. As hosts we would all be likely to have different levels of acceptance for what we would judge as Dark or Light and you cannot run contests with variable rules not when the variable is governed by an individuals opinion.
The few players we have left on this forum could get by with a load of if’s and but’s in the rules and continue to make changes as we go along but this is certain to deter newcomers and for the sake of the longevity of this game we NEED newcomers, lots of them.
So far the votes are 100% in favour of a change to AR2 and nobody has put up any good reason for not changing over.
Mi2, would you like to make your views clear on a change to AR2 and voice any objections you may have.
EDIT. Peter has just confirmed that it is now possible to send AR2 solutions by PM so there is nothing now in the way of a changeover.
At present you cannot open the AR2 solutions in AR1 if received by PM although any levels and solutions done on your own PC seem to be compatible both ways. I will find out if the files can be made fully compatible.
Please will all other players, even those who do not normally submit solutions, make their views known and cast their vote.
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